不过，下载资料是一回事，学会这些语言就是另一回事了。
如果能把这些资料好好利用，大家都能应用自己喜欢的语言了。

回复 30# watson1981

适合自己的就是最好的。

本帖最后由 watson1981 于 2010-6-23 16:15 编辑

问题是如何下载资料和音频
xpy001 发表于 2010-6-23 01:42

提供几条路径：

1、网络硬盘下载：注册登录网站http://uz-translations.net/index.php，根据每个资源页面提供的下载链接进行下载。
2、电驴下载：打开http://www.verycd.com/，根据左边的菜单下载需要的外语电影、音乐和教材。下载时需要安装电驴软件。同时，也可在打开电驴软件后利用软件自身的搜索功能进行搜索（关键词可用英语）。
3、BT下载：下载比特彗星等BT软件，然后打开网站http://www.torrentz.com/ （或类似的BT搜索引擎），关键词用英语，搜索自己需要的资源进行下载。
4、论坛下载：声同本身就有不少资料，搜索一下就可以下载，不必舍近求远。

问题是如何下载资料和音频

以下咨询不是假设，我只想问下，德语、法语、意语、西语、葡语、波斯语，阿拉伯语，希伯来语，这些语言分别是哪一套教材编得更好？教材的范围仅限于 Teach Yourself 和 Colloquial 这两种。多谢大家参与讨论！

另外，众人意见不一是很正常的。举个例子，正如Amazon上面有人对Colloquial Russian的评价，有的人喜欢在俄文旁注有拉丁字母发音，觉得有助于模仿发音；而有的人不喜欢，希望只有西里尔字母，这样不会依赖拉丁字母。再举个例子，国内外出的语言书，有一些是有IPA国际音标注音的，这对学过IPA的人来说是件好事，因为能准确地知道语言的精确发音；但是对于有些没有IPA知识，英语的国际音标也掌握得差强人意的人来说，这反而成了多余——他可能也懒得再去学IPA，因为他出于各种目的可能要“速成”，或者就学一点应急一下。对于后者来说，用近似的英文或汉语拼音来标注可能来得实用些。个人比较喜欢这样的外语书：1、内容准确、清楚，尽量不出错，不绕来绕去 2、编排合理，循序渐进、由浅入深，不一开始就来难的 3、配国际音标，或者用其他语言的对应音来说明语音，少用一般文字来说明（有些书用了一大堆汉字来解说发音器官发音方法什么，结果读者还是不知所云，甚至学到的还是错误的） 4、注重实用，紧扣时代，形式活泼些，最好能有些趣味 5、适当穿插和语言相关或重要的文化知识 6、每一个知识单元结束后配一点实用的巩固练习，不要太多或不容易做。

很巧，我有时也去 how to learn any languages（已注册），不过，众人的感受似乎很难统一。卓越上确实有 co ...
YOSHIYA 发表于 2010-6-22 12:27

是的，Teach Yourself 好像只有中文的。

我的一个想法是，如果能搞到清晰版的电子书，如果没有追求原版的要求，不妨考虑找一个廉价的打印店打印成书，因为CD没有大的用处，网上基本上都能搞到。不过我自己只买过复印书，没买过打印书。不知道这里有没有坛友介绍好一点的网店。

举个例子：
对07版Colloquial Persian的评价（不能不说，老外的评论写得很长的，呵呵）

   3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Good for the spoken language only, April 2, 2010
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This review is from: Colloquial Persian - Paperback and CD Pack (Colloquial Series) (Audio CD)
This book very much lives up to its promise as a 'colloquial' course. Like with many languages, there are considerable differences between formal, literary Persian and the everyday spoken idiom. Unlike most courses, which tend to focus on written standards however, this course is strongly focused on the spoken form which has both advantages and disadvantages depending on what your interest in Persian is. If you are primarily interested in reading the works of Rumi, Hafez or Omar Khayyam in the original, this course is not for you and you should give it a wide berth as you will probably find it bewildering and unhelpful. I would recommend instead Narguess Farzad's 'Teach Yourself Modern Persian', and/or the more scholarly Wheeler M. Thackston's 'introduction To Modern Persian' (both of which also have brief, slightly perfunctory guides to spoken Persian included if you are curious).
If your main interest however, is conversing with Iranians, visiting Iran for whatever reason or trying to understand the dialogue of Abbas Kiarostami's films, then you cannot do better than this course. The essential difference between spoken and literary Persian revolves mainly around pronunciation (which can be strikingly different at times) and grammar (as might be expected, the spoken grammar is simpler than the literary standard). Just as an example of the variation involved, a sentence in literary Persian such as Aan mard daaneshju-ye tahrani ast va be Aamrikaa mikhaahad beravad (That man is a Tehrani student and he wants to go to America) would be Un mard duneshju-ye taruni e o Aamrikaa mikhaad bere. Quite different, even at first glance.
In general, this is an excellent course in the spoken language, unfortunately it can waver, at times inconsistently, between literary and colloquial forms- a problem that also occurs in the Persian script. As I understand it, most writing is done in literary rather than colloquial Persian so a more consistent policy towards how to present spelling and written grammar in Persian script would have been helpful. I would recommend this course but I would also suggest that serious students invest in 'Teach Yourself Modern Persian' and/or proffessor Thackston's book as supplementary texts and to help better navigate the subtleties of this rich and beautiful language's finer points of usage.  

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3.0 out of 5 stars not bad but too speedy, December 25, 2004
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This review is from: Teach Yourself Modern Persian/Farsi Complete Course Audiopack (Audio CD)
It started as a good book letting the lerner take his time especially for beginners . Then it was too fast and there was alot of vocabulary. You will get lost somewhere in the middle and will jump to long articles with not enough explanation. The audio CD is good in teaching pronunciation but it was not enough and did not include all topics. Some chapters were not included at all inthe audio CD Help other customers find the most helpful reviews  
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   55 of 58 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Yes, it comes with a book, July 19, 2005
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This review is from: Teach Yourself Modern Persian/Farsi Complete Course Audiopack (Audio CD)
Despite AMAZON encouraging you to purchase this item with the "Teach Yourselff Modern Persian/Farsi" book under the BETTER TOGETHER subhead, the audiopack does in fact come with the book as well! If you purchase the audiopack you do not need the book.

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3.0 out of 5 stars A Good Resource, September 6, 2005
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This review is from: Teach Yourself Modern Persian/Farsi Complete Course Audiopack (Audio CD)
This book is a good start for those who are serious about learning Farsi. The introduction to the language's script is very good, as well as the pronunciation guide and the examples on the CDs. My only qualm is the speediness of the course. A dictionary is recommended with this book because some words used in the dialogues are not in the index. It is definitely better than the older edition of this book by John Mace.

很巧，我有时也去 how to learn any languages（已注册），不过，众人的感受似乎很难统一。卓越上确实有 colloquial，可惜，一直没有 Teach yourself 系列。

本帖最后由 watson1981 于 2010-6-22 12:30 编辑

Assimil, Teach Yourself, Colloquial, Linguaphone, Pimsleur, FSI.

请大家对比以上教材，尤其是蓝色部分 ...
YOSHIYA 发表于 2010-6-22 11:15

据我所知，完全有这种情况。Yoshiya不妨上Amazon购物网站http://www.amazon.com/搜索书评打分，或者上这个网站看老外的评论http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=2

顺便说一句，Colloquial系列部分语种书籍能在卓越网上购买到，一般都是200以上（包含CD），算一下，比向国外购买便宜不少。

Assimil, Teach Yourself, Colloquial, Linguaphone, Pimsleur, FSI.

请大家对比以上教材，尤其是蓝色部分。这种书比较贵，要花欧元或美元，还有国际邮费。所以，外语爱好者不太可能“兼而有之”，除非他是富二代或官二代（调侃）。我还想搞清楚，举个例子，是否会有这种现象？ 譬如（只是假设，不知内情）：Colloquial 系列的 意大利语教材 编得很好，但 波斯语 或 希伯来语 就不行。Teach Yourself 系列的 阿拉伯语 教材编得很好，而 加泰罗尼亚语 和 罗马尼亚语 却不好。也就是说，谁能说一下 这两个系列的 强项语种 和 弱项语种 分别是哪些？以便爱好者根据自己要学的语言对症购买较好的教材。

Colloquial 和teach yourself感觉是最全面的，前者难度稍小。
eurotalk,rosetta stone, talknow感觉是给临时出国的人用的，不系统。
pimsleur不适合令起点，在学过基础以后用来巩固是好的选择。

本帖最后由 watson1981 于 2010-6-21 21:39 编辑

对我来说，也不是都非常喜欢，因为知道可以（免费）下载，权且先都收藏起来，以备不时之需。
就个人用过的来说，对着书正儿八经地学，Colloquial和Teach Yourself算是不错的选择，有对话，有词汇，也有语法，相对来说系统稳当些；Linguaphone的希腊语和阿拉伯语接触过一点，挺喜欢电子书的设计和配套发音的。软件方面，Rosetta Stone V2/V3 用过西班牙语和俄语，喜欢V3，做得很漂亮，继承了V2的教学法，同时更加实用，而且有字母表可以语音入门（虽然粗糙了些）；Tell Me More用过西班牙语的，感觉学起来也比较轻松愉悦，而且有互动练习可以巩固。Pimsleur用过西班牙语和泰语，放在MP3播放器或手机里可以随时随地收听学习，虽然有些枯燥，使用却很方便。另外，Eurotalk的TalkNow用来对一种语言进行尝鲜是再好不过了，可以在短时间掌握一些基本词汇和句子，而且有小游戏来巩固记忆。Lingvosoft软件集口语句型、词典和闪卡于一体，用来口语强化训练和当工具用是再好不过的。
值得提的是，Assimil的教材不比Colloquial和Teach Yourself差，不过基本上以法语版为主，要发挥它的价值最好先学好法语。

以上这些教材，楼主或许都喜欢，请问，大家最喜欢哪套（哪两套）？为什么？

比较著名的是：Colloquial、Teach Yourself、Assimil、Pimsleur、Rosetta Stone、FSI、Linguaphone、Take Off In。

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    这个第4个的图片也看不到了

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    FSI的系列我以前下了一部分，不过好几种语言没有音频，LZ有吗？
hindi的我就没有

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    4楼的资料看不到图了，我刷新了好几次了，我确定是看不到

回复 1# watson1981


    1楼的那个语言地图好像不能下载，是不是？

回复 15# watson1981

很有帮助！